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Steve: I can't remember if I emailed you back or not, your branch sounds like it belongs to one which I do not have much information for. The women listed below have much more information on your side of the family. (at the bottom of this note I have included most of the information I have on Whelchel up to Dr. John Whelchel) Mary Ellen--mostly Indiana Whelchels but has lots of early SC Whelchel info vbaker@htc.net Myra-still lives in SC,she is descended from SC Whelchels lreid@teleplex.net Susan Whelchel-SC Whelchels, she has lots of information peri@sprynet.com However, we all pretty much believe that the Whelchels from S.C. are descendants of Dr. John Whelchel, who was one of four children of Francis Sr. and his wife Ann Stockton. The other sons are (1) William, who was killed in the Rev. War and whose son William moved with his uncle's family to Indiana, (2) Davis, the uncle who moved first to Tenn, then to Indiana (3) Francis Jr., who I am descended from. This second generation all lived in SC (which is believed to be only Francis Jr and Dr. Johns's children left in SC), it is Francis Jr's sons who moved to Hall County Georgia and founded Gainesville (1822 to 1824), but along with them came their uncle, Dr. John Whelchel. It is believed that some of his children came with him, if not all, I would have to look in the census records for # of children or others in household, but he is listed in the 1830 as being in Hall County Georgia. Susan Whelchel states that at some point two Whelchels moved back to SC, they were probably brothers, one being William and the other John or Jessie. They were both potters and lived next to each other. You are probably descended from this branch. However, you did not tell me when your William was born and/or living in South Carolina. If I can help anymore please let me know, I would be happy to send copies of all the Whelchel documents I have (which are quite alot!) Just give me an address! Good luck! Gina __________________________________________________________ The first Whelchel who came to America was Dr. Francis Whelchel, raised in Holland, and educated in France to be a physician; on Captain Richard Buddon's ship the Bettsi e. [It is believed that he left a sister, Louisa Whelchel behind in Holland] The ship sailed from Rotterdam-via Deal, England and landed in Philadelphia August 27, 1739. He is listed on the ship roster as Frantz Welchel. The Bettsie had 61 young men aboard from the ages of 16 to 25. They had come to America under the auspices of William Penn to settle in Pennsylvania. Francis upon disembarking, went to Lancaster County, Pennsylvania . In 1752, he married Anne [possibly Hannah] Stockton, daughter of Davis and Sarah Stockton, who were from Northern Ireland, and settled in (1) Lancaster Co, PA (2) Goochland County, VA (3) Albermarle Co, VA where Davis Stockton had 400 acres of land next to his son-in-law-March 12, 1769. There is a Virginia Land Patent showing him owning 312 acres of land in Albermarle Co. on both sides of the Meechans River dated March 25, 1762. In North Carolina Land Grants in South Carolina by Brent Holcomb, page 154, Tyron Co, North Carolina lists "Whilchel, Francis File #936, Grant #436, Bk 24, Page 24. Plat surveyed for Francis Whilchel 100 A.....on both sides of London Bridge Br.....Zack Bullock. September 1, 1769. John Welcheu, Joseph Forgerson C B. Grant issued 24-Dec-1770. And in the History of Union County, South Carolina "In the year 1775 a large group of settleers in this area found that their lands were actually located in the Province of South Carolina, whereas the grants to the land had been issued by the Province of North Carolina". They wanted to have this corrected, their petition dated 13-May 1775 had the following names, Adam Goudylock (married to Hannah's sister), Francis Wilkey and David Wilkey. Dr. Whelchel and Ann had four sons and four daughters while living in Albermarle Co., they then drifted south to Union District (County), Virginia (now Cherokee Co). It was here that Francis Whelchel and his four sons enlisted in the Revolutionary War. One son, William was killed and another, John, was seriously wounded in the Battle of Cowpens. The Whelchels are listed in many books written about the war,one is The King's Mountain Men, page 244. Dr. John Whelchel, brother of our descendant, and uncle to the three brothers who moved to Hall County, seems to be the most famous, as he served under Williams, and was a scout in Cherokee Territory in Georgia before the war. I believe this is what led him back to Georiga with his nephews. John's pension record (W.6498) tells of his attack by one of Tarleton's Dragoon's, who left him for dead with nine saber wounds about the head and neck, which fractured his skull in three places and exposed his brain. In another book The Patroits at the Cowpens by Bobby Gilmer Moss, page 247, tells the story of John's father, Dr. Francis Sr., finding him and treating him....a plate for his fractured skull was mad by melting silver coins. He recovered in time to fight at Eutaw Springs. A state account for back wages (dated 1784) describes him as a physician in the militia. After the war he practised as a physician and was well known for his skill in treating cancer. SOUTH CAROLINA Little is known of Francis Whelchel and his family while they lived in Virginia, but in South Carolina, they erected a home and helped found and build the Gethsemane Meeting House, at that time nondenominational. It is here on Gilkie's Creek that Dr. Whelchel is buried, and several other members of the Whelchel family. [Gethsemane has been moved twice, is now Methodist and is located on S.C. Highway 18, about one mile south of the original sight.] The cemetery at the old sight, where Dr. Whelchel is buried is now known as the Vinson Blanton Burying Ground. The grave is marked by a fieldstone with two lines of rough carving. The first line is the initials F.W., the second, appears to have the words Age 81 Yrs. Dr. Whelchel's son, Francis Whelchel Jr., is most probably buried in one of the many unmarked graves in the cemetery. Anne Stockton Whelchel died after 1790, she is believed to be the Anne Welchel listed in the 1800 census enumerated in Union City, South Carolina. The Whelchels are listed in deed records, such as dated 4 Nov. 1793. Francis Whelchel to Dennis Barnes for 60 sterling pounds for 140 acres, part of 240 acres granted by Charles Pinckney, 4 Jan 179_, da ____ River, bd. by Wm. Bruce. Wit: Francis Whelchel Jr, John Whelchel, Joel Ownby. The eight children of Ann and Francis are: (1) Francis Whelchel, Jr. born Sept. 16, 1754 m. Judith Davis (4) William Whelchel m.___ Davis, had one child, William Jr. killed in Revolutionary War (7) Hannah Whelchel m.__Barnes (2) Dr. John Whelchel born Oct. 11, 1756 m. Abigail Davis (5) Elizabeth Whelchel m. William Ownby (8) Ann Whelchel m. __Ashworth (3) Davis Whelchel m. Nancy Burnes or Barnes (6) Patsy Whelchel m. __Collins Davis Whelchel is buried in Hamilton County, Indiana; his wife Nancy Barnes is buried in Bates County, Missouri. There is a large amount of published information available on Davis and Nancy Whelchel, as they are considered one of the founding families of Hamilton County. Several family associations and individuals sent me copies of information, but I have omitted and decided to concentrate on "our" direct family history. I found the grave of Dr. John Whelchel, near the other Whelchels at New Bridge Church in Gainesville. It is marked Rev. War Solder, and appears unkempt (see below). It is near a square of overgrown brush where I believe that Francis III, John (who we are descended from) and Davis and their wives are buried. There are some gravestones visible in the brush, Pass and Ownby, who did marry into the Whelchel family. I could not find any Whelchel gravestones, so I cannot be absolutely sure this is where the missing Whelchels are buried. I believe Dr. Whelchel moved to Georiga with his nephews between 1822 and 1830. It is Dr. John Whelchel's descendants, several Whelchel historians believe, who lived and still do live in the Gaffney area of South Carolina. He was married and had many children, it is unclear if they ever moved with him, but it is doubtfull and most were adults by the time he moved to Georgia. Several of his descendants were potters and currently there is a Whelchel relative looking in the area for some pottery that may still be in existance. _______________________________________________________________________________ From: Steve Bradley on Thu, Dec 19, 1996 2:58 AM Subject: whelchel To: whelchel_gina@bah.com I am looking for the parents of William Daniel Whelchel born in Union Co. SC. Spouse is Susan Copeland. He is my great great grandfather. Do you have this branch in your pedigree? 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