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oby and all, the 2" I spoke of was betewwn the lower arm and the stopper, not the ride height Its (I think) 28 splines outer and 32 inner so 1 notch can mean 2 slightly different drops OK... most people will drop using the 28 inner end cause its easier... 360 deg / 28 splines = 12.8 deg change per notch Im guessing that the snubber is 8" out from the center of rotation so **((*&^&%^* who's got my calculator??..... its gone! Anywho someone want to finish this?? I think its just shy of 2" and if someone can measure the whole length of the lower arm its just as easy to calculate the change in ride height but it would be more. Toby.. Your still have your lower snubber in place?? theres not alot of travel to our front suspensions to begin with so if your not clanging I'm really intrigued as to how. BTW.. some of my rantings about lowering are nullified if using the elusive dropped spindles,.. this is the RIGHT way to go if you must lower. Keith