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Yes we were talking about this. I think ceramic is the way to go! Not only does it look cool it keeps cool! I don't know of anyplace local to Oregon. I saw some places listed in VW Trends a ways back. Also I have seen stuff in hot rodder too. Just hit the mags and you should find it. It s kinda pricey but they can coat bothe the inside and outside so It is worth it. Jason ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Re: increasing exhaust/muffler life-span: durable finish? Author: type-3-errors@umich.edu at SMTPGATE Date: 3/11/97 8:17 AM You could have it ceramic coated. This will also control the heat radiation. There was an article (way back) in one of the American VW magazines about various coatings that could be applied. Jason R., were you and I talking about this at the last VW meeting? I thought you knew a place locally that did this. Toby Erkson air_cooled_nut@pobox.com '72 VW Squareback 1.6L bored and stroked to 2.0L '75 Porsche 914 stock 1.8L for sale ___