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4 and a half million, yeah right! I have a very accurate breakdown of the years so I will actually look it up tonight and send it in about 10 minutes. Get your facts right folks, not speculation. Also Keith, I have had 5 spoke empi's as you are aware on my '64 notch, now I do not know if there is a variance in offset between the 5's and 8's however I did read something to that effect on the weekend. Measure some! My 5's had 145 series michelins on the front and 165's on the back and did not have a problem. The 165's on the back look'd superb as they were very close the guard lip and I had the car low back then. I got sick of fully polishing them inside and out every weekend and sold them after 6 months to go back to standard baked enamelled rims with stock wheel trims and caps- oh so easy to clean. That is also why I ran with the BRM's on the panel van! As for the type 3 badges send me $40 Australian and I will send you some, I don't care how you send it, cheque etc, cash is okay (yes illegal.... Yes Toby I am sending yours off pronto! Soory for no replies for a while but I am working about 12 hours a day and not having much luck getting on my PC. Aaron, 38 Columbia Crescent Modbury North South Australia 5092 Australia. 1964 'S' Notch 1965 Panel Van Variant 1977 Type 2 panel van 1955 Beetle 1956 Beetle -- \|/ @ @ +-----------------o00-(_)-00o---------------------------+ | Aaron Britcher MOBILE: 0418 807 160 | | <abritcher@ezinet.com.au> HOME: +61 8 8265 3363 | | | | "If you can't say anything \/ | | sensible, talk to me!" \/\/ | +-------------------------------------------------------+