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hi doug try innovations in fiberglass in Phoenix AZ ph#602-377-0104 . they have type-3 speaker panels for 39.00 per set and they work pretty good. also there not that cheap plastic. ive got a pair in a 66 bug and they throw the music in your face. if you do get them they have raw edges and so you will have to cover them or just trim or paint them. i personally put a item called compact windlace around the out side edges to give it a finished look. you can pick up compact windlace at any upholstery shop that deals with automotive. its the same stuff that holds your headliner in around your doors. good luck Jonce strtbug@ibm.net 66bug 66square 56single 86vanagon 92jetta 94probe still being fixed(wrecked)