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This is just an opinion that I am passing along after my first winter on 135r15 tires...If you are going to drive your vehicle on a daily basis, avoid them at all costs. The tire patch that is on the ground is not nearly enough. If there is any gravel on the road, the tires easily lock up with even light braking. Also, when cornering hard, these tires struggle to stay on line. I never own tires like this...they happened to be on the rims. As soon a possible, I will be back on the 165s that my car deserves. Again, this is opinion, but I can't believe how difficult it is to control a 1600lbs car on these little pieces of rubber, imagine the same thing in a loaded down square! Brian "Vader" Fye 64 Notchster ------------------------------------------------------------------- Too much? Digest! mailto:type3-d-request@vwtype3.org Subj=subscribe