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On 20 Sep 2006 at 17:03, Steve Jackson wrote: > I am having considerable trouble removing my stock front seats. I don't > want to beat them up since they are in fairly good condition and I might > re-use them, but they seem to be frozen in position and I was expecting the > mounting bolts to protrude from the bottom of the floor under the car but > they don't. What the heck holds them on? The seat rails are welded to the pan. To remove the seats you have to start by getting them freed up. The outer rails are usually frozen since that's the side that's most exposed to weather. It usually takes a very large hammer and several blocks of softwood (because you'll probably shatter a couple.) Start by just completely removing the front carpet. Get a friend to hold the seat release button up so that's not locked and just bump the inner edge fore and aft, just to make sure it can move. With the wood block in between, pound on the rear of the outside edge of the seat; don't pound on the rail that's bolted to the pan. It may help to spray some WD-40 in there and let it soak in. Work on both sides until you get them to move. Once everything moves, work the seat forward until it hits the spring loaded stop built into the front of the inside rail. Get your friend to hold down that spring while you tap the inner edge forward and over the spring. Don't let him use his finger for this unless he wants to lose the end of his finger. Once the rail is past the spring you can ignore it and slide the seat forward. As the seat slides forward it will tend to want to tip forward or backward. DON'T LET IT DO THIS. get a friend to help. If it tilts, you'll be looking for some replacement seat rail slides; I own the world's last supply of those slides and they aren't cheap. Tilting is also likely to bend the rails themselves, so be very careful and check them with a straightedge before you put the seat back on (the last guy who did this on your car probably wasn't this careful.) -- ******************************* Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org Madison, Wisconsin, USA ******************************* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~