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In a message dated 9/5/06 9:06:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, topnotch@nycap.rr.com writes: << Just to clarify, the only problem is that the studs are too long to stick a stock rim on with the cap nuts right? And I need those 1/2 20 NON capped nuts? >> Actually it's a little more involved than that. On my wife's Fastback, she's got 8 spokes (they've been on the car since about '95), and when I first put them on I looked at the lug nuts that came with them to see if they would work in case of a flat. Turns out if you really look at the taper of a standard 1/2-20 lug nut, and seat it against a stock rim, you'll be surprised to see how little the taper fit actually is. What I'm getting at is there is less than an 3/32nds of an inch of seating on the lug nut itself, and the nut actually passes into the lug hole about the same depth before contact. Meaning it will bottom out against the hub / drum before seating against the lug hole. Very scarry when you get down to it. I ended ordering some race car lug nuts from Speedway Engineering, these have a very large seating surface, and give me that warm and fuzzy feeling in case she ever needs to use the spare tire. I think I paid a buck a piece for them, but that was 10 years ago. Unfortuately, you need a 1" socket to use them, as the result of the larger seating surface. Just something to keep in mind, and I hope this helps. Bob 65 Notch S w/ Sunroof and IRS (Krusty) 71 Square, now a 2 seat Roadster, pics can be seen at; http://volksrods.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2977 and now running the old Notch motor with D-jet FI . : ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~