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I have chokes, but the problem is that the system drains back or leaks out, leaving the carbs dry and eventually the fuel pump. Give it a week and the carbs run a little low and it's a start and restart 3 or 4 times, give it 6 weeks and your cranking a bit to refill the fuel systems, give it a winter and you have to reprime the whole thing. I no longer have that little check valve (aka crap injector) so that is probably part of it. If its been run within the last few days though it starts right up and idles perfectly from the first try. Keith Keith=> With carbs.... you crank the crap out of it with no way around it! Beg to differ. If it's really cold I need to do some cranking (no chokes), but in normal weather, even after sitting for months, mine starts up on the third turn or sooner. Steven Ayres, Prescott AZ '66 KG1600 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~