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Oregon doesn't seem to believe in Guard rails, and so long as at least a portion of the white like is still intact, the road is fit for service. I got in practice with these roads well before Crater lake following John and Jim through the hills of Southern Oregon up and down at great speeds with thousand foot drops on the side ;-) By the time I got to Crater lake... it was Nothin! Second nature... Sorry to get all the blood drained out of your face though Dave :) Keith If you want a nerve-jangling experience, sit with Keith driving round the crater rim with one hand and half an eye on the road while taking photos out of the sun-roof with his other hand and 1.5 eyes! I only moved my hand involuntarily towards the wheel once. I seem to recall that Brian and Anne had a similar episode at Hershey when Brian took both hands off the wheel to show Anne how straight Keith's Notch was tracking. It's all good fun. ;-) Dave. UK VW Type 3 & 4 Club http://www.hallvw.clara.co.uk/ ------ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~