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Jim, where the T-4 engines run into problems is overheating, this will cause a valve seat to sink into the head which will give the same indications of a stretching valve. Also you are right , if the T-3 engine overheats the first sigh is elongated valve stems on #3. Phil __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~