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<x-charset UTF-8>> Why can't you be sure? Was it because any change was just too small to be sure > of, or because other things got changed at the same time? Were you doing the > switch to synthetic at this same time? i changed the oil to synthetic, hoping to get the temps down. then, after doing the drive once and noticing that temps were up rather than down and not wanting to do any damage, i checked the timing to see if that was the culprit. it was way off, like i said, so i changed it to the middle timing mark. i know the old adage about only changing one thing at a time, but i figured it wasn't worth overheating an engine to get the diagnostic info. >From your note I wasn't able to discern what problem you hope to >address. Your timing was overadvanced, you changed it, the pinging went i heard that just because you can't hear the pinging doesn't mean that it's gone and you could still be doing damage to the engine and not even hear it rattling. so, my questions are: 1. is the middle timing mark the correct one for my engine setup? 2. if i go by hearing a ping or not, am i retarded enough to be safe? 3. if i have to retard it any more and lose more power, should i just go for the ACN SVDA dizzy because it will give me a more correct timing curve and the best of both worlds, supposedly, with a good advance curve. thanks, Dan --------------------------------------------------------- Dan Hoopes 1967 Red Squareback "Stanley" www.hoopes.net/dan/square/before.html --------------------------------------------------------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ </x-charset>