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In a message dated 7/22/05 12:06:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fess-vwtype3.org@fess.org writes: << yeah, it was fully lowered to the stops. I'm going to assume I've either binded in there as you've said, or I haven't opened the pinch enough. But I have this suspicion that it's related to there being no tension in the top arm coming through from the other side from the other lower torsion arm because it's already lowered [ that make sense? ] In which case I'll have to figure out something to use a a clamping device on the two arms. >> I know this might sound like a stretch, but if you remove the upper ball joint on either the same side or the opposite side, it will remove any tension you're currently experiencing. I've run into the opposite of what you're deescribing when lowering the front of a couple type 3s. In my case I had to jack up the side I was working on to re-attach the ball joint, then lever the otherside off. From what it sounds like, you're being held in place by the other side thru the sway bar, due to the car being lowered (one side is holding the other in place). I hope this helps. Bob 65 Notch S w/ Sunroof 71 Square, now a 2 seat Roadster, becoming a T-3 Heb, pics can be seen at; http://volksrods.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2977 69 Square, currently awaiting a t-4 engine transplant ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~