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In a message dated 1/15/05 9:49:18 PM Central Standard Time, gregm@vwtype3.org writes: << HUGE screwdriver wedged in the starter ring gear teeth to immobilize everything. It's just that the bolts seem seized. I even tried turning the box wrench by using my foot, and I couldn't get the bolts to budge. (Tried two of them.) Are these usually stubborn? >> Blue loctite?? I know that's how mine are done. You'll need some heat to soften it up. I hope this helps. Bob 65 Notch S w/ Sunroof 71 Square, now a 2 seat Roadster, pics can be seen at; http://volksrods.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2977 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~