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In a message dated 2/17/05 8:48:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, russw@classicvw.org writes: << And I make them from the soft copper tubing that furnace thermocouples are made from. New, they are less than $5 at a hardware store, and you can make at least 2 sets out of each one. >> I like those low buck solutions too. In my case, I cut the pieces off of some scrap tubing we had at work. You can get many pieces out of a foot long piece, when slicing it into 1/8th inch pieces. : ) Bob 65 Notch S w/ Sunroof 71 Square, now a 2 seat Roadster, pics can be seen at; http://volksrods.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2977 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~