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My 87 Golf has "instant heat" Well, more like a mile down the road heat and the reason is that the system routes the coolant right through the heat (which is aluminum) so it heats up very quickly then directly to the heater... the engine itself comes up to temperature much more slowly and only then it routes the coolant through the radiator when the thermostat opens. When it gets really cold the temperature at the heater outlets is a direct function of how far down the accelerator is! Keith > Hmmm...you are probably right, but it boils me with heat 1 second > after I start the car. I don't know how it could do that in cold > weather without an electric element - I think it would take a moment > for the heat to get going if it was from water cooling exchange. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~