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Yeah, I've heard about those. But I don't trust e-screw-you-over-bay so I'd rather buy from a store. Toby Erkson -- Portland, Oregon -- http://www.icbm.org/ '72 VW Squareback Darksider, 5-speed, 2007cc, rag top '95 VW Jetta 2.0L, CHE tranny w/Peloquin LSD, 270ΒΌ, TT Chip, SCCA Solo 2 EP#3 '73 Porsche 914 2.0L WIP; '81 Honda Gold Wing, 1100cc, stripped ----- Original Message ----- > Believe it or not, the one the VW Dealerships use seems to be the one I > see recommended the most. It suction cups to the inside of the > windshield. I often see these on eBay for $10-$20 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~