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Steven, Your story is funny because I went through the same thing. On my first muffler I was only attempting to save the pre-heaters to put on my new muffler. The shop I took them to ended up torching them, and they still didn't budge. I found another set of used pre-heaters and the rest is history. Douglas R. Gray -----Original Message----- From: Steven Ayres [mailto:comwest@att.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:57 AM To: type3@vwtype3.org Subject: Re: [T3] Separating heat exchangers from muffler DougG=> you can always try a mechanic if you don't => want to spend the money for the tool. I tried that the first time. I took it to the most respected VW shop in the area at the time, and the owner took the job on himself. He applied a torch and an air chisel to the nuts and progressively destroyed corners for about an hour with no useful result other than destroying the heat-exchanger shrouds. Eventually one broke loose. I recommend the wrench highly, and I have one in my shed. Steven Ayres, Prescott AZ '66 343 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Shameless link for search engines: http://listarchive.type3.org ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~