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>Is the one with the black-plastic-covered metal frame, but a >nylon(?) mesh tray? This one has four point-tipped machine screws Yes, black-plastic-covered metal frame with nylon mesh. Mesh was toast, so I took it off and will sand/etch primer the frame. I'm debating whether to redo the mesh or use a solid panel. On on side it has two threaded point-tipped as you mention, but the other side it has two brackets with an opening in it. Gary ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org