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> ...Also many people do not understand that low speed causes problems as well, > momentum is often needed to get up steep hills on snow. The result is that > they wil start to spin and cause problems not only for them self, but many > others as well, since many people now will be forced to back down snowy or icy > hills. So true. A &*^$#! Toyota V8 with 4wd was creeping up a hill while I was throwing very colorful adjectives at it because my Jetta (snow tires with studs up front) needed the momentum to help get up. Much to OUR surprise, when the &$@#! moron let me pass (I was flashing my lights at it), it was some mousy-looking *male* driving it...we both assumed it was a female. Oopsie. > ... > I would also like to mention something that I have mentioned before, I have > experienced that rear engined VWs are a little bit prone to premature lockup > on the front wheels because they only have approx 35% weight on the front > wheels. Agreed. > Finally we have the issue of proper snow tires. It is my understading that > snow tires (either studded or studless) still isnt very common in USA. I > really dont understand this! From my experience on other (Audi) discussion > boards, the people who have "discovered" sow tires are never going back to all > season tires, and also wont believe the difference in traction. Per, we have a LOT of stupid people here! I think they breed in Oregon... Anyway, yes, snow tires make a big difference. Studs help in the ice but if they aren't on ice then they contribute to damaging the road surface so people are divided on their use. I feel they aren't necessary on all four tires which is why they are only on the front of my Jetta (I *hate* front wheel drive!!!). If I used my Squareback in the snow I would only have snow tires on all four corners, no studs. Anyway, I only put on my 'winter wheels' (original steel Jetta rims w/snow tires, studded fronts) when the weather requires it. Once it's nicer out my 'summer wheels' go back on (which reminds me, mine are now slicks and need replacement). 99% of the population isn't willing to swap wheels so readily. Toby Erkson -- air_cooled_nut@pobox.com '72 VW Squareback, '95 VW Jetta, '81 Gold Wing, '73 Porsche 914 http://www.icbm.org/ Portland, Oregon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org