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thanks all! i'll flip that as soon as i have a little daylight. i had it pretty well hand fit on the engine side [the body side has the clamp] but it doesn't last long, seems to be reaching -down- to the engine [though the engine appears to be suspended well and is not hanging to my eye]. i may take you up on the clamp as i have a newer trip speedo that has a shot odometer, later calipers that need to be rebuilt, and some other things that are escaping me at the moment. nothing urgent though, so bailing wire will hold me for a while and i'll simply take care of the stuff at once. on to the next question, curtis http://binauralaboratories.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org