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hi jim so eloquently put you have said it well and it gives me a warm feeling that i gave you something to think about on an otherwise boreing 8 hour drive. seriously i know i have to sort out my rear right hand side in this respect as it is knocking and ive narrowed it down to the resiliant mounts with my stethoscope. so when you have done this in the past jim i take it you have undone all the subframe mounting bolts and then lifted the body slightly of the rear subframe? in my never ending quest to get the typ3 i want to handle at 200kph i will also be replacing the front rubber resiliant bushes with something a little harder i must admit that last time i posted i was going with aluminium mounts in these areas well i am reconsidering and need a sorce for some urethane or such like hard rubber. i think there is a lot of difference to be made with the stability of our cars in this area alone. mfg neil verdon. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org