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> Is there any chance that you have the calipers on the wrong sides, such that > the bleed valves are on the bottom? If so you have to swap them side to side > and start over. > If the calipers you have are the late Brazilian ATe ones, then then may have 2 > bleed valves on them and you should just be using the upper ones. My calipers are single bleed calipers with the bleeders at the top. > Are you sure you have the rear brakes adjusted properly? If they are not, then > the pistons will have to travel a long way before the shoes contact the drums. I did adjust them but I will double check them again. > It's possible that your expectations are all wrong for what a well bled system > should feel like. Old systems, where the calipers have rusted tight, will feel > extremely hard, because the pistons don't retract at all. Sometimes people just > think there's something wrong when their new calipers allow the pistons to > retract a bit and thus require more pedal travel to move back against the > rotors. I don't think this is the case because the pedal goes all of the way to the floor with no, or very little, braking at all until the pedal is pumped several times. I did adjust my pedal free play. I will let you no if adjusting the rear brakes works, but if not, is it possible I got a bad master cylinder from RMMW? It arrived with no plugs or caps on any of the openings like I am used to seeing. Dave Rosso Pittsburgh, PA '69 Fastback '73 Super Beetle ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org