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Talking about listening to the way the starter turns the engine over to diagnose compression problems, the VW diagnosis system (72-on for a few years) used the starter voltage drop to estimate the compression - or at least show up a fault condition if there was a problem. Dave. UK VW Type 3 & 4 Club http://www.hallvw.clara.co.uk/ ------ ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org