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In a message dated 5/25/03 8:30:17 PM Central Daylight Time, jadney@vwtype3.org writes: << 65 is an odd year. VW gives us what appear to be good numbers for both the VINS and engine #s, but they don't make sense. I get 220,283 total cars made, but they produced 466,670 engines in that same time. They didn't break down the engine quantities by types, however. >> Ok, thanks Jim. Maybe it just seems that more 65s survived then. Even the NW guys seem to be digging them up out of their hiding places. I though some of the high engine numbers were from VW installing them into buses. I wonder how many Big Al has listed on his registry, as he never disclosed any totals yet. And his web site seems to be down as I keep getting a not found message. How about it Big Al, any totals for you to share with? I know I registered at least 3 cars there. Thanks again Jim. Bob 65 Notch S w/ Sunroof 69 Square AT-the baby suburban ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org