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> I just did some further investigation. > part# 311 615 293 up to vin 313 2012 024 . Does not give the size. > Part # N 010 127 4 F 313 2012 025 size=M12x1.5x30 > Yes, the early one presumably isn't standard due to a difference of unthreaded length compared with standard for that size. I didn't know offhand the size of the early bolt, or appreciated that they had made it larger from the 72 models. BTW the vin numbers don't seem to tally with the parts book - they give to 311 2500 000 and from 312 2000 001 for the two bolts. Dave. UK VW Type 3 & 4 Club http://www.hallvw.clara.co.uk/ ------ ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org