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> They certainly don't here in Wisconsin if I drive them in the winter. I'm lucky > to get 6 years out of even the best ones, and less out of the damper pipes. > Over the time I've had Type 3s, mainly with the two-piece tailpipe/damper pipe, I've probably replaced the tail-pipe twice for each muffler, and the damper pipe only every other muffler. Dave. UK VW Type 3 & 4 Club http://www.hallvw.clara.co.uk/ ------ ------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <type3-off@vwtype3.org> For more help, see http://vwtype3.org/list/