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REALLY? Im grew up and still live in Clifton Park, about 20 minutes from Glens Falls. Its been below zero here all week at night... Glens Falls sits trapped in a valley and always gets colder... was -28 there the other night!! We here just need to resort to a different hobby in the winter, for me its Antique radio and TV restoration. and we must also resort to a different car in the winter... an expendable car, as the salt will expend any car in a matter of a few short years... or less! Keith I grew up in NYC and went to school upstate in a little town called Glens Falls. It would regularly get down to -32¡ at night in January. At the time, I didn't drive. Let me tell you, riding a bike 3 miles to school and dragging groceries a mile thru the snow in 7¡ weather is _not_ fun. I swore to myself that if I made it out alive, I would never, ever, live someplace cold ever again. ------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <type3-off@vwtype3.org> For more help, see http://vwtype3.org/list/