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Dave, do the visors you're using have a cut out for the mirror? If so then they are bug visors. If not, then you're using the wrong sunvisor clip and mounting location. I found out about the visors a long time ago. But the visor clips I found out when I did my notch. The clips are located about 4" from each side of the mirror, and they are different in shape. Be very carefull when installing the correct clips as they are quite fragile. I found that out when I installed them, that you can easily over tighten them and break them (now they are unuseable). I found that you can also use the more commonly available bug convertible sunvisor clip too. Its a little bit stronger because it doesn't have that little leg that forces the clip to break. I hope this helps, and if you have some questions let me know. Bob 65 Notch S w/ Sunroof 69 Square AT-the baby suburban ------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <type3-off@vwtype3.org> For more help, see http://vwtype3.org/list/