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=> the "Chrysler" heritage of the era (ridiculous fins) ... It should be noted that Ghia contributed significantly to that heritage, e.g. check out the fins on the '58 Dual-Ghia 400 prototype, which show up much the same on the '61 Fury. Ghia was certainly capable of very muscular Space-Age design in support of Virgil Exner. It was the style of the day. The Valiant was Chrysler's response to the VW/Lark/Rambler trend, and they did pretty well with it. Yes, it had a distinctive look (although I haven't heard that Ghia contributed to it directly); does anyone here prefer today's boring, computer-generated products? I expect that the Big Three piling on the economy-car trend had a lot to do with motivating VW to update its product line for the '60s, creating the Type 3 line. So in that sense we might thank the Valiant for helping make the market that the Type 3s stepped into. Steven Ayres, Prescott AZ '66 Big Ghia ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org