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Thanks Russ, now I've got to get on the bus list and check on those 17 15/16" one's that I have, they have got to be bus axles. I cleaned them all, packed the cv joints put them in a box and didn't mark them... Not a good thing to do.. Phil __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org