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Check http://www.hoopes.net/dan/square/current.html again for some more annotated pics I just barely put up. #1 Looking at my new pics, you'll notice that I pushed the pic out that Everett mentions below, but I still don't see anywhere a spring would go. Anyone ever seen a beetle or other cylinder that has anything to do with this that might give me some avenues to go down. For example, if anyone ever saw that a "return to run position" spring was kept in the keyed lock cylinder part, then I might have to do some drilling, but I don't want to go that route unless that's actually something VW did. #2 So, if I'm understanding right, I should be able to use the continuity selection on my multimeter and place one probe on the 30 wire. Then, when it is in the first (run) position, if I put it on the 15/54 wire I should get continuity, but NOT get continuity on the 50 wire. Then, when I turn the key to the "start" position, keeping one probe on the 30 wire, I should get continuity on the 50 wire and NOT get continuity on the 15/54 wire. Is that right? Thanks, Dan '67 Square, Stanley if you want to see some pics of Stanley, I just barely put them up on http://www.hoopes.net/dan/square/before.html and http://www.hoopes.net/dan/square/after.html ------------------------------ Daniel M. Hoopes 652 South 1050 East Orem, UT 84097 801-836-3411 ------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: Everett Barnes [mailto:everettb@thesamba.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 12:28 PM To: Daniel Hoopes Subject: RE: [T3] '67 Ignition switch problems #1: In http://www.hoopes.net/dan/square/images/middlemed.jpg the little circular pin seen near the bottom right is removable (see attached pic w/arrow), perhaps this will reveal more information about the return spring? You can tell I don't know for sure. I'm never removed the pin though, I think it is usually drilled out? A locksmith would know... #2: 30 is the incoming power (red in your picture I believe) 15/54 is the key on position (thinner wire) 50 is the start position (red/black) They have little numbers by the connections, right? - Everett ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org