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Dave, I was refering to her Chevy, about the way she goes to work in the morning. The van doesn't get a chance to even try and warm up before she's gone. In her defense, she does leave at the last minute (timed to miss the local trains), and after reading her vwtype3.org mail. Its her Fastback that I need to work on some more and get it dialed in better for her. Some days i'll start right up, and others it will stall, then not want to re-fire (this is what I need to fix), and later on it'll start like nothings wrong (without doing anything except giving it some time). This is a carbed car, running without the chokes. Bob 65 Notch S w/ Sunroof 69 Squareback AT Sue 70 Fasty AT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org