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thanks bob, it is my wife's car so i think i will ask her if she wants the custom option, otherwise i will start looking for donor pieces. if you take the dash apart can you get to the back side of that area? or are you limited to the top, i'm sure it won't be fun welding upside down, maybe i'll roll the car over(hehehe, just kidding)... thanks again, still looking for input (and donations!) -matthias portland, oregon '66 type I '74 type II '67 type III fastback (* ...what left a mark no longer stains, grace makes beauty out of ugly things.... -U2 *) ------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <type3-off@vwtype3.org> For more help, see http://vwtype3.org/list/