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Hi- Just a side note here on this ...The total cost for ratio rockers and solid rocker shafts is 150.00 These are Scat and you can find this in the new HotVWs. I would recommend that if you are changing your rockers that the shafts are replaced also. The stock rockers and put a lot of stress on the retain clip on its own, increase the lift and you can increase the side tension. The aftermarket ones use a bolt to hold everything together. The solid rockers are cheap insurance so why not use them? Martin Magnia DDB Portland OR 69 fasty w/a ragtop and a 2 liter 63 notch bone stock..... ------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <type3-off@vwtype3.org> For more help, see http://vwtype3.org/list/