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<x-charset iso-8859-1>It's difficult to show you are protecting trade marks etc if you then allow all these groups to use them without penalty or permissions. I think they just want to regularise things there. If they threaten to hit us financially when we're not making money out of the use of the trademarks, they look like bullies, so I don't think for a moment they will take action against enthusiast websites. Hence the invitation to take part in an enthusiast program to avoid the problem. " > Volkswagen is currently developing an Internet Enthusiast Program which > may interest you. Through this program, you will be granted limited > permission to use certain Volkswagen trademarks if you agree to and > comply with the terms and conditions of the program. " Now commercial companies making money from using the VW logo to sell after-market parts are legitimate targets. Of course, it is much less reasonable if you don't actually make that same part any more! Dave. UK VW Type 3 & 4 Club http://www.hallvw.clara.co.uk/ ------ ------------------------------------------------------------------- Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/ </x-charset>