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type3@vwtype3.org wrote: > > Digest #18 > > 1) Re: main wiring harness > by John Gallagher <megegg@erols.com> > 2) Re: Compression Ratio Recommendations > by "John Connolly" <john@aircooled.net> > 3) main wiring harness > by John Gallagher <megegg@erols.com> > 4) Re: Compression Ratio Recommendations > by krustang@netscape.net (jonathan hesby) > 5) Re: Cracked Torsion bar > by Jim Adney <jadney@vwtype3.org> > 6) Re: Synthetic GL-4 found! > by Jim Adney <jadney@vwtype3.org> > 7) Re: Compression Ratio Recommendations > by Jim Adney <jadney@vwtype3.org> > 8) Re: main wiring harness > by Jim Adney <jadney@vwtype3.org> > 9) Re: Cracked Torsion bar > by Neil.Verdon@t-online.de (neil verdon) > 10) Re: main wiring harness > by Tom Falcone <tfalcone@dgsystems.com> > 11) Re: Synthetic GL-4 found! > by "Erkson, Toby" <toby.erkson@intel.com> > 12) Re: Synthetic GL-4 found! > by Brian <vwfye@widaho.net> > 13) Re: was: Compression Ratio Recommendations, now semi-hemi heads > by Neil.Verdon@t-online.de (neil verdon) > 14) Re: need dash photos for reference please... > by "Jason Ford" <veedub@apartment101.com> > 15) Re: horn circuit > by "Jason Ford" <veedub@apartment101.com> > 16) unsubscribe > by "Harris Family" <dharris@innova.net> > 17) Re: horn circuit > by Wuzmop@aol.com > 18) Re: Compression Ratio Recommendations > by Jim Adney <jadney@vwtype3.org> > > This digest is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list <type3@vwtype3.org>. > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <type3-off@vwtype3.org> > To switch to the FEED mode, E-mail to <type3-feed@vwtype3.org> > Send administrative queries to <type3-request@vwtype3.org> > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: [T3] main wiring harness > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:01:11 -0400 > From: John Gallagher <megegg@erols.com> > > Tom Hansen wrote: > > > > what colour are the wires, and where exactly are they? > > > > Tom > > Tom's Old VW Home > > http://home.att.net/~drsowatt/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Gallagher" <megegg@erols.com> > > To: <type3@vwtype3.org> > > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:59 PM > > Subject: [T3] main wiring harness > > > > > any help is good help. > > > I am restoring a 65 squareback (bought in Germany. I have the oil chnge > > > coupons for the first 3000 miles.) After I had rebuilt the engine and re > > > installed I started redoing the wiring. On the main wiring harness > > > coming into the engine compartment I have the usual wires plus a double > > > wire that ends in a female clip. Where does this wire go to? None of my > > > manuals list it or mention it and I have stumped three volkswagen > > > mechanics with this. Could it be an extra hook up for an accesory? Any > > > ideas are appreciated. Thanks. > > > It's hip to be square. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <type3-off@vwtype3.org> > > > For more help, see http://vwtype3.org/list/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <type3-off@vwtype3.org> > > For more help, see http://vwtype3.org/list/ > Both wires are black, one a thicker gauge than the other. They both come > out of the main wire bundle into the engine compartment and connect at > the female clip that I mentioned. The wires are rather short so it could > not have gone far. Thanks. > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: [T3] Compression Ratio Recommendations > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:59:01 -0600 > From: "John Connolly" <john@aircooled.net> > > it depends on what the "optimal" timing is. The problem with a 009 or 050 is > you are timing it for full advance, and letting the rest of the curve fall > "wherever". So, timing at full advance may be correct, but a compromise > everywhere else (including idle). THIS is the reason for a Safeguard, or a > custom curved ignition (mallory, MSD, etc). I have seen plenty of > performance engines that wanted 26 degrees total timing. If you use a > 009/050, this puts your idle timing in the stupid range of TDC or even > retarded. You should have about 7 BTDC at idle, and 19 degrees in the > distributor, if this is your situation. Take the distributor apart and bend > the tabs to restrict the amount of advance (Shad's VWT article covered this > in detail). > > Find what full advance the engine wants (from 3K UP, don't pay attention to > timing below 3K until after the full advance setting is done). Calculate the > advance needed to get 7 at idle, adjust the distributor. Then, you have to > adjust how fast that curve comes in. If it's a Mallory, the grey/grey combo > is nutz on. > > John > Aircooled.Net Inc. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian" <vwfye@widaho.net> > To: <type3@vwtype3.org> > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:51 PM > Subject: Re: [T3] Compression Ratio Recommendations > > > hey john, here's one for you... i just went out and retimed my notch... > > was running an 050 but needed it on my 36hp so i slapped on an 009 i > > had, any way, i had timed it at idle as the 050, forgetting about the > > switch. my total advance on the 8.7CR 2332 was only 24 btdc...how much > > extra heat was i generating? > > > > -- > > Brian--1964 Notch Speedster 2332cc & 1959 Bug > http://www.geocities.com/menacefye/ > > Type 3 Invasion Aug. 17th and 18th > http://www.geocities.com/menacefye/invasion.html > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <type3-off@vwtype3.org> > > For more help, see http://vwtype3.org/list/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: [T3] main wiring harness > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:14:12 -0400 > From: John Gallagher <megegg@erols.com> > > any help is good help. > I am restoring a 65 squareback (bought in Germany. I have the oil chnge > coupons for the first 3000 miles.) After I had rebuilt the engine and re > installed I started redoing the wiring. On the main wiring harness > coming into the engine compartment I have the usual wires plus a double > wire that ends in a female clip. Where does this wire go to? None of my > manuals list it or mention it and I have stumped three volkswagen > mechanics with this. Could it be an extra hook up for an accesory? Any > ideas are appreciated. Thanks. > It's hip to be square. > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: [T3] Compression Ratio Recommendations > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:13:47 -0400 > From: krustang@netscape.net (jonathan hesby) > > Hey, since you guys have sorta wandered away from the CR discusion and > more towards dist/timing I had a couple quick questions. Has anyone ever > run one of the old treuhafts on their type 3? And did you like it? Also > anyone know where I can get parts for one,I heard they were like the > mallory single point dist? Jonathan > > 69FASTY > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: [T3] Cracked Torsion bar > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:19:52 -0500 > From: Jim Adney <jadney@vwtype3.org> > > On 18 Jun 2002, at 22:15, Keith Park wrote: > > > When you broke that bar, did it break near the stationary end like they > > usually do?? > > Yes. I flared a piece of electrical conduit that I could reach in there and > surround the stump, then push the piece out with a long rod from the other > side. Took 2 people. > > You can also cut off an M8 bolt and weld it to a rod, then screw that in the > head of the torsion bar and push it out. > > Of course you have to get the rusty head of the bar loose in its socket first. > > - > Jim Adney > jadney@vwtype3.org > Madison, WI 53711-3054 > USA > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: [T3] Synthetic GL-4 found! > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:19:52 -0500 > From: Jim Adney <jadney@vwtype3.org> > > On 18 Jun 2002, at 22:04, Keith Park wrote: > > > AMSOIL!!!... the Synthetic that brought my new motor to a grinding DEATH > > about 10 years ago... > > I wouldnt TOUCH it... > > > > but thats just me... > > I think $10/qt is a lot to spend, but I don't think it would have any of the > problems that an engine oil faces. The situation is completely different. > > - > Jim Adney > jadney@vwtype3.org > Madison, WI 53711-3054 > USA > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: [T3] Compression Ratio Recommendations > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:19:52 -0500 > From: Jim Adney <jadney@vwtype3.org> > > On 18 Jun 2002, at 21:43, Keith Park wrote: > > > My 73 had flat tops... it was a NEW motor purchased at VW in 1980.... > > >I thought the 73's had flat tops... perhaps not. > > Maybe it was just the X series FI engines, but they are supposed > to have the same CR as the U5 series, so I assumed that they > both had the dished pistons. My old 72 engine, which Mike W. has > now has the original dished pistons in it. > > - > Jim Adney > jadney@vwtype3.org > Madison, WI 53711-3054 > USA > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: [T3] main wiring harness > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:15:49 -0500 > From: Jim Adney <jadney@vwtype3.org> > > On 19 Jun 2002, at 15:01, John Gallagher wrote: > > > > > I am restoring a 65 squareback (bought in Germany. I have the oil chnge > > > > coupons for the first 3000 miles.) After I had rebuilt the engine and re > > > > installed I started redoing the wiring. On the main wiring harness coming > > > > into the engine compartment I have the usual wires plus a double wire that > > > > ends in a female clip. Where does this wire go to? None of my manuals list > > > > it or mention it and I have stumped three volkswagen mechanics with this. > > > > Could it be an extra hook up for an accesory? Any ideas are appreciated. > > > Both wires are black, one a thicker gauge than the other. They both come > > out of the main wire bundle into the engine compartment and connect at > > the female clip that I mentioned. The wires are rather short so it could > > not have gone far. > > What "usual" wires do you have? Do these wires get 12V when you turn the > key on? > > - > Jim Adney > jadney@vwtype3.org > Madison, WI 53711-3054 > USA > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: [T3] Cracked Torsion bar > Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:17:28 +0200 > From: Neil.Verdon@t-online.de (neil verdon) > > hi. > the little tanks that i work on on a day to day basis are fitted with > torsion bars and these allways snap at the fixed end as well !!! > > when we fit new ones we allways wrap them with tape, black and nasty we > call it (sort of cord reinforced stuff) this helps the poor guy who has to > change it when it next goes as it will all come out by pulling on the tape. > > thankfully the ones we have fitted in our cars dont go on a massively > regular basis but for anybody who wants it this is my torsion bar tip for > the day!!! > > also you should never ever try to put a centre punch mark in the end of a > torsion bar say for instace if you are lowering the car as it can shatter > the bar as the shock wave passes from one end to the other . > > clean it well and use tippex correction fluid or a permanant marker pen and > make sure you dont inadvertantly rub your marks off!!! > > neil verdon 66 sqr on irs pan. > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: [T3] main wiring harness > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:43:41 -0500 > From: Tom Falcone <tfalcone@dgsystems.com> > > My guess would be the reverse lights? > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Gallagher [mailto:megegg@erols.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:14 PM > To: type3@vwtype3.org > Subject: [T3] main wiring harness > > any help is good help. > I am restoring a 65 squareback (bought in Germany. I have the oil chnge > coupons for the first 3000 miles.) After I had rebuilt the engine and re > installed I started redoing the wiring. On the main wiring harness > coming into the engine compartment I have the usual wires plus a double > wire that ends in a female clip. Where does this wire go to? None of my > manuals list it or mention it and I have stumped three volkswagen > mechanics with this. Could it be an extra hook up for an accesory? Any > ideas are appreciated. Thanks. > It's hip to be square. > > ------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <type3-off@vwtype3.org> > For more help, see http://vwtype3.org/list/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: [T3] Synthetic GL-4 found! > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:39:24 -0700 > From: "Erkson, Toby" <toby.erkson@intel.com> > > I think we determined there was more happening that simply the name of the > brand, it was the synthetic alone with all it's happy detergents which was > the probably cause. > > Toby Erkson > '72 VW Squareback -- big engine, rag top, 5-speed, etc. > '95 VW Jetta GL III -- P-Chip, Jamex suspension, etc. > '81 Gold Wing -- stock, no touring gear! > Portland, OR. http://www.icbm.org/ > > -----Original Message----- > > AMSOIL!!!... the Synthetic that brought my new motor to a grinding DEATH > > about 10 years ago... > > I wouldnt TOUCH it... > > ...I don't think it would have any of the problems that an engine oil faces. > The situation is completely different. > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: [T3] Synthetic GL-4 found! > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:11:38 -0600 > From: Brian <vwfye@widaho.net> > > > > > > >AMSOIL!!!... the Synthetic that brought my new motor to a grinding DEATH > >> about 10 years ago... > >> I wouldnt TOUCH it... > > > ah, the dreaded desludge syndrome! > > > > > -- > Brian--1964 Notch Speedster 2332cc & 1959 Bug http://www.geocities.com/menacefye/ > Type 3 Invasion Aug. 17th and 18th http://www.geocities.com/menacefye/invasion.html > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: [T3] was: Compression Ratio Recommendations, now > semi-hemi heads > Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:34:30 +0200 > From: Neil.Verdon@t-online.de (neil verdon) > > hi. > wow!!! shad thats excellent in 5 years on the list that has to be one of > the best posts ive ever read it was a shear pleasure. > > confirmation of what i have attempted with the t4 engine going into my sqr > this weekend comp set at 9.3-1 quench 0.9mm !. > > im gonna stop there and re read your post sad thing is people still wont get > it and will still set there comp way to low!! > > neil verdon 66 sqr on irs. > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: [T3] need dash photos for reference please... > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:12:57 -0400 > From: "Jason Ford" <veedub@apartment101.com> > > There are two small oval shaped holes, approximately in the same area where the brake light and another light might clip into. Otherwise, I don't see any others. > > I'll have to pull out hte feelavision though. > > :) > > Jason > 68 Notch (Nadine) > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: [T3] horn circuit > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:21:00 -0400 > From: "Jason Ford" <veedub@apartment101.com> > > Okay, I think I've fixed it. Here's how: I bought some thin galvanized metal used for roof flashing, then cut two "tabs" out. I drilled a hole for each tab to mount via two of the four existing turn signal lever screws and then I bended them carefully to mimick the original copper tabs. Voila! Works great! > > I FINALLY got a safety inspection today, so she is 100% LEGAL and on the road. This is quite an accomplishment since I bought her a year ago in July, and I've never driven her as a daily driver... not until now. :) > > Thanks to EVERYONE's help along the way!. Next job? Restoring the suspension to factory ride height with new shocks and bumper stops. > > Jason > 68 Notch (Nadine) > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: [T3] unsubscribe > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:31:20 -0400 > From: "Harris Family" <dharris@innova.net> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <type3@vwtype3.org> > To: <type3@vwtype3.org> > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:45 PM > Subject: type3 Digest #15 > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: [T3] horn circuit > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:10:56 EDT > From: Wuzmop@aol.com > > Congrats Jason, looks like we'll be cruisin to the bug swarm after all! > Robb > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: [T3] Compression Ratio Recommendations > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:36:04 -0600 > From: Jim Adney <jadney@vwtype3.org> > > On 18 Jun 2002, at 21:43, Keith Park wrote: > > > My 73 had flat tops... it was a NEW motor purchased at VW in 1980.... > > >I thought the 73's had flat tops... perhaps not. > > What series was it supposed to be? There's no reason to believe that a NEW > motor made in 1980 would be made exactly the same as an original. > > - > ******************************* > Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org > Madison, Wisconsin, USA > ******************************* The usual wires out of my 6 volt harness are the green and red going to the generator, the oil temp wire and the ignition wire going to the coil. With this bundle are two wires bound together with a plastic sleeve. They join together with a female clip and only strech as far as the generator. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <type3-off@vwtype3.org> For more help, see http://vwtype3.org/list/