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My wife's car is running 165s on polished 8 spokes and a 2 spline drop.it only rubs during full lock turns. I want to actually raise it back up 1 spline. We have very rough roads around here, and the way they fix them is to post caution signs warning you of large bumps/dips, very hard on the car. My notch is lowered 3 splines ( inner) and that drops it abot 4" but it only rubs when 2 people are in it, and at full lock, but I'm running a different style rim than most ( they are some old western wheels that kinda look like BBS wheels). I hope this helps you out. Bob 65 Notch S w/ Sunroof ------------------------------------------------------------------- Too much? Digest! mailto:type3-d-request@vwtype3.org Subj=subscribe