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<x-charset iso-8859-1>If you know what you're doing, you can kick them out from the inside as well. I've used this technique (with someone to catch the window of course) on quite a few VWs (t3, bug, bus, whatever). It was taught to me by someone who has owned a VW shop for about a zillion years. Of course, caution is required. Start with gentle pressure near the edges with your foot, but if it is stubborn, you can give it a good whack. As long as your foot applies the pressure evenly, breakage seems to be avoided. Jason ------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <type3-off@vwtype3.org> For more help, see http://vwtype3.org/list/ </x-charset>