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<x-charset iso-8859-1>I guess it depends on whether a Roman washed his toga in Daz or Surf. ;-) I'll try to check at my local helpful autopaint guy, who also runs a local VW show. He has the colour cards. I've had the pages up a long time, so I've forgotten if there was good evidence for the Lotus white and Toga white to be that way round (ie Toga brighter than Lotus). No-one has challenged it before, but neither is very common. I think I'm correct on this one, but as someone's sig says "I used to know that"! Dave. UK VW Type 3 & 4 Club http://www.hallvw.clara.co.uk/ ------ ------------------------------------------------------------------- Too much? Digest! mailto:type3-d-request@vwtype3.org Subj=subscribe </x-charset>