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>>I've been talking to a couple of people whose opinions I respect about the Abarth systems. What they tell me is that the design makes a great sound (at least on the Typ 1, no one's heard the Typ 3),<< My Type 3 Abarth did have a great throaty sound. I do remember noticing a slight decrease in performance after switching to a stock exhaust. >>Has anyone come up with a design that does not hang below the engine or rear apron<< This was the real problem with the Abarth. It was much lower than a stock exhaust and also extended farther to the rear, so it was hard to avoid bottoming out. There was something about the sound of a rare part scraping along the pavement that made me decide to switch back to OEM. Scott 62 343, 65 361, 01 Golf GL ------------------------------------------------------------------- Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/