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> Well, truth be told, I did live in NY... A cold day I > would consider in the single digits to teens (not O.k., that qualifies as cold in my book. Where I live now, most years there are *no* nights that reach freezing or colder. When people in this sort of climate talk about VW heaters being great, well, ten degrees above freezing isn't a very challenging environment for a heater. (In fact, a sweater will do very nicely, thank-you-very-much.) One thing about driving a VW around in the kind of temperatures you describe, in my exerience -- highway driving really is the best thing if you actually want to warm up. Puttering around town at 5F, it's gonna be a very long time before you break a sweat. Another terrible side effect of bad heater channels and a beat up car, is that if water is getting in where it shouldn't, the heaters can blow wet air all around, which can fog/ice the inside of your windows; tends to make things worse rather than better. I spent many mornings scraping ice off my windshield... the *inside* of my windshield, that is, as I drove down the road... -Greg ------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <type3-off@vwtype3.org> For more help, see http://vwtype3.org/list/