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Marty, I never said that we got left out. in fact we drove a type 3 into the show. we caravaned out with a dozen type 2s and 2 type 3s. every summer the local bus club puts on a show and ALL volkswagens are welcome. we have an award for best type 3. don't think that we are illiterate idiots. we have been lurking for weeks. ever since we were told that type 2s would not be allowed into the show. we went to the trouble of getting a type 3 running for the show. when we drove in almost everybody smiled and cheered including the show promoter. almost everybody in our group either owns or has owned a type 3. we are VW people. so are most of the people who were at the show. ethnocentrism is one step away from racism. there is much more out there than just type 3 or just type 2. there are a couple bad apples in every group. the assholes show themselves quite readily. mature people know how to handle it. you can laugh with us or we will laugh at you. the more pissed off you get the more satisfied I get. get it? we don't feel left out. when you try to leave us out we will have a little fun though. just as some may say that we are giving type 2s a bad name your ignorant rantings are giving type 3s a bad name. and many more people have come out on thist in support of being open VW people that either appreciate, respect or own type 2s than people who hate type 2s like you. why can't we all just get along Phil Hall owner of many types of volkswagens. Hey- Phil- don't try to play the "poor us,we got left out" card That wont fly here, those of us that were there saw how your group carried themselves...nuff said. Martin Magnia _____________________________________________________________ Get yourname@flyingpie.com Free--> http://www.flyingpie.com _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email@yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag ------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <type3-off@vwtype3.org> For more help, see http://vwtype3.org/list/