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<x-charset iso-8859-1>>No, they're the two-piece "system" - the part of the drums sitting vertically have the 4 lug holes, but they're just smooth, drilled-out holes. the drums just "pinch in" by bolting the wheel into the hub (seems weird to me, and it's a PITA to get the drums to sit still while slapping the wheel on and getting a bolt in there. > Yeah, seems weird to me too... There are supposed to be 2 allen head screws that secure the drum to the center hub. Yeah, they don't do much but they keep it centered nice until the lugs nuts secure it properly. -- Everett Barnes '67 Squareback ------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <type3-off@vwtype3.org> For more help, see http://vwtype3.org/list/ </x-charset>