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Phil, I've always done it like this- first of all, it takes two people, one for the inside and one to place *steady* pressure against the outside of the window. Take a piece of small diameter cord, try to find something fine like nylon string, long enough to wrap around the window edge twice. Put the window rubber on the glass and make sure the trim is installed and seated before hand, you'll never get it on after the window's in. Soap the track of the window rubber with liquid dish soap, a fair amount will do, it's easy enough to clean afterward. Wrap the cord around the rubber in the track that the metal lip will end up in. I always started at the top and went around twice, use enough cord to overlap ends so you get a good grip on it. Have the person on the outside hold the window firm against the opening keeping steady pressure and keeping the window centered. The person on the inside should grab one end of the cord, pulling the cord into the car, this pulls the lip of the rubber over the metal lip of the frame. Once around should pull the lip inside, the second time around should set the rubber firmly. This works well for new rubbr, I've tried it with second hand rubber and had to go *real* slow to get it to work. Remember, Patience Grasshopper! David Walters '73 1600 L Notchback S. FL, USA ------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <type3-off@vwtype3.org> For more help, see http://vwtype3.org/list/