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Shad=> interesting idea to use sidedraft carbs to clear the => pancake engine cover. However, I don't think any => manifolds are made for that application. How about using stock manifolds and turning them 180 degrees? Probably too small for the Dells, but for something else .... Steven Ayres, Prescott AZ '66 Big Ghia ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org