Re: [T3] '66 N model Notchback

[Simon Glen <simonglen@bigpond.com>]

Jason,

My understanding is that with the 1966 models (from 01Aug 1965) built
in Germany the two notchbacks were the "1600A" (with basic trim and
1500 (1493cm3) single carb motor) and the "1600L" (with deluxe trim
and 1600 (1584cm3) twin-carb motor).  It was, however, possible for
individuals or dealers to order each with a range of M-Options and
even deletions.  Thus, a bare-bones "1600A" could be ordered with
the 1584cm3 twin-carb motor.  The terms "1500N" and "1500S"
disappeared at the end of the 1965 model year (31 July 1965) and
there was no such thing as a "1600N" notchback from 01 Aug 1965.  So,
a "'66 N model Notchback" is incorrectly described.  It should be a
"'66 A model Notchback".

In Australia, where Type3s were fully manufactured at the time there
were three models: a plain-jane "1500" (1493cm3 single carb motor),
a "1500 de Luxe" (as for the 1500 but with deluxe trim and fittings
found on the "1500S" which was a deluxe version with 1493cm3
twin-carb motor.  From mid-1966 when the Fastback "1600TS" was
introduced, the "1500S" was dropped but the "1500" and "1500 de
Luxe" continued until early 1968.

In South Africa there were only a "1500" and "1500S" notchbacks until
late 1965
when notchbacks were replaced by the "1600TL" fastback.

For German, Australian and South African made notchbacks, the "1500"
had just "Volkswagen 1500" on the engine lid while the "1500S" had
the same but with an "S" on the rear number plate light housing
which was chromed.  The Australian "1500 de Luxe" had an additional
"de Luxe" script on the right side of the engine lid.  After 01 Aug
1965 (1966 models) German-made notchbacks had just "1600" and "1600L"
scripts on the back.  Thus, nowhere did any "1500N" or "1600A" script
appear on any notchbacks from Australia, South Africa or Germany.

As with USA, Type3s were German-made.  The notchback was never
marketed in the USA but was in Canada until the end of the 1965
model year (31 july 1965).  I may be wrong, but I understand that
Canadian notchbacks were marketed as the "1500" which was a basic
plain-jane version, the "1500E" which had the same deluxe fittings
as the "1500TS" which was the deluxe model with twin-carbs.  I
understand, too, that all Canadian models had just "Volkswagen 1500"
scripts on the rear engine lid but the "1500TS" had a chromed
circle with a "TS" enclosed within it fitted to the right side of
the engine lid and did not have the "S" on the number plate light
bracket as for German, Australian and South African models.  (I
understand that the "TS" emblem was also used on Canadian Type34
Karmann Ghias in place of the "S" normally found on 1493cm3 twin-carb
engine Type34s.)

I have photographs of all these different Type3 scripts but only
a poor quality picture of the Canadian "TS" emblem.  Does anyone
have a good picture of one?

Simon Glen
Toowoomba,  Australia.



Jason Weigel wrote:

> Im glad you brought this up. Jack down here in San Diego just found a 67N in
> his neighborhood. We have been debating on what is correct and what is not
> for the N. I always thought that 61-63 notches were simply known as the
> 1500. When the 1500S was introduced in 64 I thought that VW broke it down
> to: 1500 standard, bare bone int, single carb, no clock, no overriders, the
> T3 version of the T1 standard. 1500N basicaly a 1500S interior, no belt trim
> and the single carb motor. 1500S top line performer, duel carb.... yata
> yata. But within the last two years I have learned about the Canadian "E".
> Thanks to Andre he has helped me understand that its basicaly a 1500S with
> the "econo" sidedraft motor. I get the feeling that all this Standard/N/E/S
> options take place between 64 and 65. I have never seen a 62E or a
> 63standard. So why does the 66 Everet and the 67 Jack found dont comply?? I
> think the answer is in how Canada produced their T3s. Maybe Simon has the
> know how. How many people out there have factory plugs in the dash on there
> 70-73 T3. I once had a 71 fasty with these. I dont know what was to fill
> them as Im an early guy but I suspect that it was a "standard" bare bones
> Canada T3. I was told long ago by someone that Canada used circle cut outs
> in their sound dead stuff on the doors. Germany used slots. Thats how I
> guessed it was Canadian. So Ill fade back and stop yammering. No answers,
> just more questions!
> late
> jason

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