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On 21 Oct 2001, at 23:40, Square67@aol.com wrote: > When I first get in my car(befor I start it) and hit the brakes they > work great after one pump, once iI start is and my wheels start to > turn the brakes go out. when I come to a stop at a light they are the > same as when I am driving. why would my brakes work better when my > car is off?!? Does this mean anything at all? I wouldnt know...Im new > at this. If you get in and release the parking brake, wait a moment, and then apply the foot brake, does it still come up with 1 pump? Or are you confused by the effect of having the hand brake on? > I went and got myself a little hose to bleed. You mean as long as the > hose is fully submerged in brake fluid I can have the second person > keep pumping? Well, not fully submerged, just the outer end. Try it, you can see the fluid moving in the hose and you can tell how things are moving. Yes, in general it is NOT necessary to close the valve before each upstroke of the pedal. I know lots of books tell you to do this, and I did it that way myself at first, but eventually I discovered that those books must have just been written by someone who had never done this themselves (they are authors, not auto mechanics) and they must all be copying from the same original source. Try it, you'll like it! ;-) - ******************************* Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org Madison, Wisconsin, USA ******************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------- Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/