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Thanks Russ , was hoping I wouldn't have ro tear the engine down , guess I'll get to it . Will most likley be easer to change the case than to find and install a sand seal. Phil __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org