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<x-flowed>yes, very much so...the only thing positive about the FI to me is if it is modern, with anti knock sensors and the works...otherwise the old stock FI is too limiting in engine configurations, expensive to fix 'if' a part fails and only marginaly better at starting in the cold of winter. you have to run a cam with stock duration for the FI to work correctly ever priced a brain? and of course the year to year differences really make parts hunting pleasant and, i can get the stock dual carbs, or hi-po dual carbs to run in cold weather without any problems if money was no object, i would install a modern FI in a heartbeat, but i can't...with that said, i will always run carbs before stock FI... The darkness is indeed strong... -- Brian--1964 Notch Speedster 2332cc & 1959 Bug http://www.geocities.com/menacefye/ Type 3 Invasion Aug. 17th and 18th http://www.geocities.com/menacefye/invasion.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org </x-flowed>